José Bonacci, LLA ally: "Macri and Clarín benefited from the $Libra scandal"
Former Rosario councilman and president of UNITE, José Bonacci , said that the scandal of the cryptocurrency $Libra was an operation against President Javier Milei that broke out after the failure of the tender for the Paraguay-Paraná Hydroway and in the midst of the purchase of Telefónica by Grupo Clarín . “ Mauricio Macri has very specific interests in that tender being within his sphere of influence ,” he observed on Modo Fontevecchia , on Net TV , Radio Perfil (AM 1190) and Radio JAI (FM 96.3), and added: “I would ask myself who the beneficiaries are.”
José Bonacci is a former Rosario councillor and president of the UNITE (Unite for Freedom and Dignity) party. He is the owner of one of the parties that has no militant base and one of the defenders of the sale of candidacies. His daughter, the deputy Rocío Bonacci of the UNITE party, visited detainees for crimes against humanity in the Ezeiza prison.
Nice to talk to you, José Bonacci.
I want to apologize, because in 2011 I was offered a page on PERFIL for 50,000 pesos and we didn't have the money to buy it. Updated, it must be more than a million.
I don’t understand what this has to do with…
You say that things are bought and sold. The press is also bought and sold. In fact, you buy and sell everything, my friend.
The question is whether the candidacies have a price. It has nothing to do with the price of corn…
No, not at all.
Then you have to clarify it.
Does the press have a price?
No, it is priceless.
So why did they want to charge me 50,000 pesos?
What you are saying should be a warning .
No, no. Well, nevermind.
Yes, it does matter. We are talking about what should have a price and what should not have a price. If you tell me that candidacies should not have a price, then we agree. In your opinion, should candidacies be sold if it is something that a political party has to be financed with or not?
Politics, the press and love, if bought and sold, end up being prostitution. Of course, I am against prostitution. Therefore, I totally reject it. I have brought many candidates. We have never asked for a peso from any of them. In fact, we have put in…
The only statement they accept as valid is that of a girl from Mendoza who sold creams and spent 60,000 euros on a candidacy. She did not buy the candidacy. If it was bought in some way, it was through the militancy of the libertarian party of Mendoza and through the forty years of militancy that we have had in the party, which is the old MODIN of Aldo Rico. All the structures of our country are infected by corruption, I will not deny it: the press, parties, judges... They are also infected by operations.
It is true that there is no institution or sector that has all saints, but there are differences between the people who make up it. There are some who are honest and some who are not.
This particular case, of the alleged sale of candidacies, was a case that was taken up by the electoral court, where 45 people were summoned, such as Carlos Maslatón, and nothing was proven. So, why are we now raising something that the court has already ruled out as such?
Coincidentally, we have pluralism as our form and style, and we want everyone to clarify. The production read a testimony of yours in the book by Juan Luis González, a journalist from the magazine Noticias , and we thought it was appropriate to call it…
I know him, he is an excellent journalist. The only ones I don't agree with are those who write headlines in the magazine Noticias , because they give you a fantastic headline and then the article has nothing to do with it. The only thing that has always been suggested is that each person has to take responsibility for carrying out their candidacies. That is not selling out.
What was asked of him was to finance the cost of the campaign, to put it in concrete terms.
Just like that, just like that. I don't know Karina very well, but I'll put my hands in the fire for Milei, because I know that there are things that won't move a muscle in him. One of those is money and another could be corruption. Nothing is going to make him go into that.
Cube Exchange, the company that would have signed the $Libra contract with Milei
And what is your assessment of what happened with $Libra?
I have been in politics for 40 years, and more. I have been involved in politics since 1982. Operations are a certain thing, and there was a French king who said that "Paris is worth a mass." I could say that there are certain interests of businessmen or mafias that are worth an operation.
What happened to the president with $Libra was an operation?
I wonder who the beneficiaries are. This is happening a week after a $90 billion tender failed, where there was a political sector opposed to Milei.
Are you referring to PRO and Mauricio Macri?
No to PRO, no to Mauricio Macri. Mauricio Macri has very specific interests in having this tender come under his sphere of influence. We are talking about 90 billion dollars in 30 years. A week later, we have a mega-merger or a mega-acquisition for more than 1 billion dollars, the value and significance of which is absolute, which is the acquisition of Telefónica by Grupo Clarín. Whoever controls the word controls the discourse.
Do you think that what happened to the president with $Libra was an operation by Mauricio Macri?
No, I think there are much more important interests. Do you think you have seen more than one operation by the intelligence services where they have planted a woman, who has a name in the slang, to generate conflicts, as happened to Insaurralde?
Do you think that something was planted on the president in order to make him stumble?
As is.
Who would it be? Since you mentioned the possibility that it could be Mauricio Macri, I ask you if you think he could be one of the people interested in Milei stumbling... There is no doubt that Macri benefited, because it increases the price of support in a possible impeachment. And who else?
Clarín, to discourage any action against a monopolization process. And why not also those who oppose the new ways of generating wealth? Macri and Clarín benefited from the $Libra scandal.
I remember that the leader of the old UCD, engineer Garay, on the program Tiempo Nuevo showed a piece of paper that said: "A bill is a piece of paper, it is the trust that we place in it." The new forms of fiduciary currency for the future are cryptocurrencies, which are the value generated by the interest of specific people, the actors of the economy, on elements of exchange. It is not by chance that the International Monetary Fund prohibits, in order to be able to negotiate with El Salvador, the use of cryptocurrencies.
Could the president have been the victim of an operation to specifically reduce his power?
Yes, they planted a "sleeper" to explode whenever they wanted.
Therefore, this Mr. Davis would be the material actor and there would be intellectual actors. Davis would be a person functional to this operation against the President…
That's right. And we have to admit that there was a mistake. I know the way Milei processes personal and government actions. He, like a manager, delegates the steps prior to decision-making and he makes the decision. And it is not Karina who decides the issues related to the intrinsic value of the topics that may come to her. I have seen him decide punctually more than once, even against Karina's decisions. So, I think that on this point he has been poorly advised.
So why do you think the President is not saying that Mr. Davis is a fraudster? Do you think the conditions are not yet right for him to make that accusation? Is he gathering evidence?
No, I wouldn't be in a position to determine that, but it's clear that he was led into an ambush.
Alejandro Gomel : Is it true that you said: "Now, I can say it freely because we came out of the closet, I am a fascist"? Is this your phrase?
Yes, yes. You don't know me, but I have a particular sense of humor. I like to make it easy to label those who don't think like me.
AG: Is it funny to say "I'm a fascist"?
Fascism in Italy was a process that was accompanied by youth and developed for the benefit of a particular situation, in a particular era, at a particular stage, and it is not exportable.
AG: Do you consider yourself an admirer of Mussolini, for example?
As much of a fan of John Fitzgerald Kennedy as I could be.
AG: What does Mussolini have to do with Kennedy?
Didn't they both represent, for their respective countries, a stage of growth and change as admired as Perón?
AG: Was Mussolini good for Italy then?
No, definitely not, because he led the country into a bind through political mistakes. But the economic and social structure he developed lasted until the “mani pulite”. He founded a new homeland.
AG: Is what happened in Italy with Mussolini justified by an economic issue?
Are all the deaths caused by Winston Churchill, who was just as tough or just as tough, justified?
AG: So, the deaths caused by Mussolini in Italy are justified?
No, not at all, not at all.
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